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关于自由意志的讨论。
Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:36pm
 
Hi brahbata,


现在我花了一整天的时间来阅读你的主页上的许多文字,我真的非常佩服。) 你把佛教、新时代、轮回理论、阴谋论、乌有之乡、灵异主义和谁也不知道的其他东西结合到你自己的世界观中。相当类似,我也做过,可能每个好奇的寻求者都会做。为了不说长道
短,整体上已经给出了一个相对完整的图景,只是我现在还没有理解。你现在是否假设人有自由意志。一方面,你承认一切存在的东西都是决定性的,这也包括所有产生的思想和人类
的意图,另一方面,你又反复提到个人灵魂的自由意志。我很想知道你的答案。)

许多宇宙系的问候。

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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:38pm
 
Hello dear Thomm Smiley ,

欢迎来到精神论坛!


我从心底里感谢你的善意之行,我很**高兴你喜欢我的提议,我想回答你关于我对人的决定性的看法的问题。

首先。目前,电视上有一个有趣的节目(3sat,"Sternstunden der Philosophie",最好的哲学时间),由大脑和意识研究者格哈德-罗斯主持。他在谈话中解释了人类意志形成的生物化学/电学联系,并根据他在意识研究领域多年的研究,得出了人类没有自由意志的明确结果。
好吧--我一方面在水瓶座上讲自由意志,另一方面又假设所有的存在都是确定的--因此是非常矛盾的说法。

目前,我通过一个例子来解释我自己。对我来说,生命的旅程类似于交互式光盘。 例如,如果一个人在一个交互式游戏中站在三个洞穴入口前,他可以单独地、表面上自由地选择进入哪个入口--但必须进入这些入口之一的总体决定是有条件的和预先确定的。根据我的经验,它在我们的生活中也是如此。

正如马努在 "小傻瓜 "中所说。

"通往真理的道路是分叉的;你必须能够看到这些分叉,然后才能踏上它们。这一点你必须自己决定,而选择正确的道路对你来说并不容易。"

根据我的经验,生命是按照计划形成的,这也为所有事物的给予性提供了条件。因此,我认为众生在 "内在关系 "中的自由只是表面上的给定;我们经历了对我们来说可感知的选择自由--然而,如果遵循目前的科学认识,这只是我们大脑的一个构造。生理和神经生物学的解释包括:意识、感知和经验是不自由的事件,我们只是自欺欺人地体验到意志的自由。然而;这
种对真实性的体验会有具体的进化优势,否则我们就不会获得这种能力。

从宗教的角度来看,一神教关于意志自由和选择的思想与那些永恒世界法则的宗教(佛教、印度教)的全面条件主义的思想明显不同,而且相反。

我认识到--根据我目前的意识状态(这在每一刻都是已知的)--在元层面上不是自由的,也就是独立的,而是被引导的。然而,我的大脑让我相信在我的日常经验中存在自由。而且不知何故,我很享受这种感觉......Smiley

但我还没有得出澄清这个问题的最终结果,要找到一个答案,当然还需要时间......



问候与和平

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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:39pm
 
Hi brahbata,


我对你的及时答复非常满意。 Smiley 好吧,所以你让矛盾继续下去。但你为什么不承认,在你的三个洞穴入口的例子中,你采取哪一个入口的决定也是由一切存在的因果关系预先决定的?) 但显然,你还是想保留一点自由意志,对吗?

许多问候。

Thomm


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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:40pm
 
你好,亲爱的Thomm Smiley ...,


嗯--当然,我还是想保持我的一点自由意志 Smiley ! 至少,就我对它的个人印象而言......

认真地说--当然,通过对事实进行逻辑上的详细检查,你的说法是正确的,甚至所谓的洞穴入口的选择可能性也是预先确定的。但我的意思是,实际上我想表达的是,在我们的经验中,那种看似
自由决定的选择可能性被愚弄了,我们可能因此相信,我们的思考、感觉和行动是自由的。

我相信看到的那盏小灯,一次又一次地推动我认识到,我们被引导,我们的行为--正是以这种方式而不是不同的方式--在 "更高 "层面上都是已知的。只有我们在认识真理方面的迟钝使我们相信,我们会是自由和独立的。然而,在这种反思中,我们可能仍然没有做出--明显的、往往是有条件的--估价的步骤,并认为这种不自由是消极的东西。"被引导 "或 "被控制 "将是对形而上学意义上的不自由的基本状态的明显评价,因此,作为一个纯粹的人类判断,面对这种状态的痛苦是有条件的....

因此,愿我们都能自由地承认我们的不自由Wink ...

在这个意义上说

问候与和平

brah



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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:40pm
 
Hi brahbata,


在你上次发帖后,以下的想法现在由头脑去了我,和/或由头脑发出,和/或进入我的意识中。
但现在他又非常清楚地写了出来。"所以希望我们都能自由地认识到我们的束缚Wink ..." 很好,以这种方式我也看到了。

但是,他难道不需要纠正他主页上那些矛盾的文字段落吗?我将在任何情况下观察几个月。但我想他不会改变文本中的任何内容。
为什么不呢?
因为这可能在技术上相当复杂,此外,他实际上必须改变一切。
这是为什么呢?
嗯,因为原来在 "个体生命的自由意志 "和 "一切皆因果,皆源于上帝 "之间的犹豫不决最终渗透到了每个文本中,或影响到了他的所有文本。

哦,随它去吧。不过,他的主页还是非常具有娱乐性和刺激性。他似乎只是有时高兴地抽大麻,然后他必须摆脱他的 "真理",然而也。
是否应该允许每个人提供他的ufovisions和阴谋恐惧,简单地宣布为真理?
当然,为什么不呢?这背后的目的似乎是为了给新的思想冲动,指出外星访客的可能性等等,并在任何时候都把自己的世界观放在讨论中。客观事实我们谁也不知道,这一点很清楚。


好吧,那么我们感谢他的幽默建议,并希望他仍然有很多小的启迪。
是的,但他应该永远记住,永远不要散布对未来的恐惧,而是要永远积极地看待所有的事情。(万一关节不怎么好,欢迎他把他对人们被灰人或类似东西收割的恐怖想象留给自己。 Smiley )

所以,Brahbata,你是否想再次回应这个问题我不知道,但会很高兴。

多多问候,.... all is well !

Thomm



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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:41pm
 
Hi brahbata,


你可以庆幸我以前没有读过这篇文章.....,而且我从来没有在电视上看过 "X档案";-) 我还以为你是认真的呢!.... hihi
如果你以后想在你的主页上整合一个链接列表,我建议你把这个文本包括进去。这样看起来会更严肃一些Smiley

http://www.humanismus.de/hvd/diesseits/artikel/198/harder.htm

但为了好玩,我已经在>>阴谋论<<...Wink

一切顺利!!

Thomm


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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:42pm
 
亲爱的Thomm,
你好。

我从心底里感谢你的许多贴子(对阴谋论论坛上的那个贴子我以后还是要回答的......)。

你的意思是,我可以纠正我的惠普上关于意志自由的许多文字段落,因为我现在已经做了一个明确的相反的声明。对此,我想对你说,并非所有的文本都是在同一时间产生的。那些提
到意志自由的文本段落一般都是我的旧观点。我不断地改变我对这个世界事物的看法,因为总是有新的信息接近我的精神,它--我发现--在每种情况下都要考虑。

不过,这也是事实。如果我说,例如在 "格雷 "的文本中,格雷 "害怕 "我们的自由意志,那么我做这个声明的背景是,那些在这里的格雷人是集体思考的。这意味着,每个人的行为都是根据他的物种的整体性来衡量的--而这个地球上的人不是这样。由于这个原因,我们对那些灰色人种来说,大部分--也是在我们的可控性方面--显得相当不可预测,而这我认为是我在这篇文章中谈到的自由意志的表现。

所以我早就考虑过(已经有一段时间了),我是否应该把这些段落改编成我现在的想法。然而,我没有这样做,也没有这样做,因为每一种观点在每个时期都有它的理由,而且我一般
把我的网页理解为对自己的常识进行转换的建议。如果你阅读了论坛中的旧帖(看看关于水瓶座的文字),你会意识到我只是要求你自己思考,而不是不加思考地接管他人(也是,特
别是我的)的意见。

你的娱乐性问题-答案-帖子引起了我的思考,我可能--如果不是因为抽大麻这么好的话--把我的观点留给自己。好吧--我很高兴地告诉你,只有一篇文章是在致幻物质的作用下写的--而且是在1994年(小傻瓜)。一般来说,多年来我每年只抽一到两支大麻,这太少了,不会有严重的精神病,而太多了,不会无动于衷;-) ...

我知道我的话一般可能被拒绝,但我并不担心,因为在所有的文本中,我努力传达我的思想和我的世界观。而这意味着。我至少对自己是诚实的。至于其他人是否同意或拒绝我的想法
,这不是我关心的问题;这是每个人自己思考和发展自己的观点的问题。正如阿拉伯语 "谚语 "中所说:"如果你想改变你的国家,....,改变你自己。"

至于你对地球上的外星生命的真相可能的怀疑和普遍的怀疑,我也不能给你我的确定性,你只能为你自己实现。但我很高兴地告诉你:我见过许多外星人,并与一些不来自这里的生命
(更不用说是在我们的 "维度 "中出生的)接触,从而为我的精神调解了许多。相信这些话对你来说可能很难,因为你为什么要这样轻信我的话呢?因此,例如《灰烬》或《心灵感应》这篇文章是一个建议,让你走
自己的旅程 - 因为我们大多相信自己和我们自己的经验。所以我从心底里请求你们。自由(嗨,又是 "自由")地相信你想要的东西,也许你会意识到,你的意识可以驱动你的头脑去认识或欺骗。

我对你的答案很好奇。

问候与和平

brah


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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:43pm
 
你们俩好
Smiley

我刚刚登陆了这个惠普,我正在努力阅读所有的文本(*puhh*)。
对于你们关于自由意志的讨论,我只是自发地想到叔本华的话:"人可以做他想做的事,但他不能要他想要的东西!"。

对我来说,问题来了,如果是关于自由意志,那么实际的意志到底是什么?

它被分为最深层的内在意志,对某些人来说可能意味着权力或世界和平,而进入意志,我将称之为欲望,那是表面的、自发的、可改变的意志。
如果我现在不自由地追随我的(假定的)意志,那么问题又来了,是什么阻止了我现在,导致我质疑(假定的)意志。

你怎么看,你是否也以这种方式质疑你对 "自由 "和 "意志 "的看法?

来自影子领域的问候

纳兹


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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:44pm
 
你好,亲爱的纳兹。

欢迎来到 "精神论坛"Smiley ...

噗--你问问题,嗨...


好吧,我已经很久没有考虑过这个问题了,因此我只能根据我的直觉回答你。而且我从不确定这是否可能是 "正确的"?

对我来说,意志是以情感的形式产生的,它有一定的目标,以达到目的,从我们的感知(不是关于感觉器官的感知,而是在我们实际的精神存在中)的因果关系(我相信至少在目前)
。而我们的知觉,在另一方面,又决定了这种知觉。因此,意志必须有一个超越自身经验的原因--因此,意志在我们踏入生命之前就已经产生了(因此也是对我们出生这一事实负责)。无论如何,我此刻的意思只是自发的,并想在接下来的日子里高兴地考虑更多,因为我觉得这个
想法非常有趣。因此,请不要把我短暂的 "插话 "当作真正的硬币,更不要把它当作(甚至只是)一个合理清晰的中间结果。我想再仔细想想....。

但也许你能帮助我们?我对你的答案很好奇。

问候与和平

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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:45pm
 
Hello Brahbata
Smiley

是的,这确实是一个非常复杂的哲学问题*g*(我的激情,哲学)。
但我认为,为了能够进行魔术工作,意识到这些东西是必不可少的。
我最喜欢的魔术主题是影子工作,它与预防/堵塞有很大关系。
现在我很不幸地要休假2个星期,但我想事后和你谈谈,因为我觉得尽可能多地讨论一个话题的不同想法是非常有价值的。

我祝愿你在这段时间里,内外都有阳光灿烂的时光。

问候

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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:47pm
 

你好,亲爱的Natz ... Smiley


好吧--那么只有时代n'en美丽的假期你......

我期待着我们--当你再次回来时--可以继续交谈。

问候与和平

brah




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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

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Re: 关于自由意志的讨论。
Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2022 at 11:49pm
 
Hi @ll


这个文本是在这里讨论的问题。

https://brahbata.space/board/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1185&sid=6a876e75a53d6cbc22bf5d...

亲切的问候。

brah




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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience - we are spiritual beings having a human experience.
So, I've decided to take my work back on the ground, to stop you falling into the wrong hands.
Life is a videogame. Reality is a playground. It's all about experience and self-expression.
ZEN is: JOYFULLY walking on a never-ending path that doesn't exist.
They tried to bury us. What they didn't know - we were seeds.
Ideally, we get humble when we travel the Cosmos.
After school is over, you are playing in the park.
Although, life is limited - Creation is limitless.

Fuck you Orion, Zetas and your evil allies.

Seeing is believing. I do. *I shape*.
'EARTH' without 'ART' is just 'EH'.
Best viewed with *eyes closed*.
Space. It's The final Frontier.
Real eyes realize real lies.
Creator and Creation.
We are ONE.
I AM.

...
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